Saturday, February 19, 2011

Silencers collected from Oakey ???

http://www.freejeremybamber.com/files/B27.pdf


So there are actually 6 silencers?

4 silencers found on 07/08/85 - SBJ/1, 2, 3 and 4
SBJ1 lab tested 13th 15th 23rd 08/85
Results of SBJ 2, 3 + 4 are?

1 silencer found 10/08/85
Given to police 12/08/85
Does this become DB1 lab tested DB1 on 30/08/85?

1 silencer found 11/09/85
This becomes DRB1 lab tested 26/09/85

Seems to be long gaps between possession of evidence and submission to lab...

Silencer dismantled 29/08/05 by Cook
Only silencer not in lab on 29/08/05 is DB1.
May I clarify - is this the ONLY silencer that tested positive for human DNA?
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No, not six silencers...

DS Jones took possession of four exhibits from the scene on the 7th August 1985, two from the downstairs toilet and two others from the kitchen, these were given, DRB/2 - item from downstairs toilet, DRB/3 and DRB/4, other items from the kitchen and of course, if he took possession of those three items from the scene on 7th August 1985, he must also have taken possession of item SBJ/1 from the scene that same morning - SBJ/1 being the identifying mark of the silencer which was sent to the Lab' on 13th August 1985...

Items marked, DRB/2, DRB/3 and DRB/4, are listed in the original Property Register, in connection with the initial investigation that was being carried out under SC/688/85, or in other words, four murders and a suicide. However, once the nature of the investigation changed into five murders under SC/786/85, these exhibits and their corresponding exhibits reference's numbers, DRB/2, DRB/3 and DRB/4, were not carried over into the new property registers, which were created so that Jeremy could be prosecuted as the killer...

It was known, that a silencer and .22 bolt action rifle belonging to another relative (Anthony Pargeter) was normally kept in the downstairs toilet, and indeed, Jeremy even listed this weapon on a list he was asked to draught up, of firearms inside the farmhouse that the police should know about before they went in, and so to all intents and purposes, this other .22 rifle and its silencer should have been there in the toilet. Since, exhibit DRB/2 was found in the same downstairs toilet, on 7th August 1985, by DS Jones, and the identifying mark of the first silencer that was sent to the Lab' on 13th August 1985, was SBJ/1, which was a silencer, it must follow that DS Jones took possession of a silencer from the downstairs toilet on 7th August 1985, and that this was covered up by the police and relatives, so that the Bamber silencer which was normally kept in the gun cupboard, and which was not found there until 11th September 1985, could be introduced in its place, to make out that there was only one silencer in police possession in connection with this investigation, not two or three different ones...

When DS Jones was interviewed by COLP in 1991, he told them that he and DCI Jones had gone to see Jeremy at his cottage, 9 Head Street, Goldhanger, to speak to him about whether or not the silencer was fitted to the gun on the evening prior to the shootings? What this demonstrates is that the police knew about a silencer, the day before David Boutflour allegedly found one in the gun cupboard at whf on Saturday, 10th August 1985, which was not actually or supposedly handed over to the police until the evening of 12th August 1985...

How did the police, know about the silencer on 9th August 1985, to enable DS Jones and DCI jones to question Jeremy about it, on 9th August 1985, unless the police already had a silencer in their possession by that stage?

SBJ/1, was therefore the silencer belonging to Anthony Pargeter, and this was the silencer which was actually sent to the Lab' to be checked by Glynis Howard on 13th August 1985...

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It may well be that peter Eaton handed over a silencer to the police on 12th August 1985, but this could not have been the Bamber silencer, since it was not found in the gun cupboard until 11th September 1985. Therefore, if Peter Eaton handed over a silencer to DS Jones on the evening of 12th August 1985, that silencer must have belonged to one of the other relatives, namely one of the Boutflours, whic eventually was dismantled and rebuilt by Cook on 29th August 1985, and subsequently screwed onto the barrel of the bloodstained Bamber rifle, before being submitted to the Lab' on 30th August 1985, under the identifying mark DB/1...

Paint from the aga in the kitchen at whf was found upon this (DB/1) silencer, and the flake of blood which was supposedly found inside a silencer once it had been submitted to the lab' on 30th August 1985, must have been found inside this silencer (DB/1) because the Bamber silencer had not yet been discovered and would not be discovered inside the gun cupboard until 11th September 1985...

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Once the flake was found inside silencer DB/1, it was examined with a view to producing blood group results, which were obtained between 12th and 19th September 1985...

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Bamber silencer (DRB/1) which was not found in the gun cupboard until 11th September 1985, was not actually submitted to the Lab' until 26th September 1985, much too late for the blood group activity which was obtained from the examination of the flake found in the other silencer (DB/1), to be remotely associated with it, or to it...

You stated that two police officers visited Jeremy and questioned him about the sound moderator prior to its alleged discovery. Can you post documentary evidence that this occurred? As the location of the sound moderator when Jeremy left the farmhouse prior to the killings wouldn't determine where it was when the killings occurred, why do you think the police asked him about the sound moderator? What significant difference could Jeremy's answers have made to the investigation? As Jeremy would have known about this questioning, why didn't the defence ask at Jeremy's trial why it had occurred when it did?

The 2002 appeal document states "Using a radio link PC West contacted Malcolm Bonnet at the Chelmsford H/Q Information Room." Did PC West make any statement to this effect? If he provided any statement or evidence (other than his contemporary log), can you post it here?
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Yes, DS "Stan" Jones, and DCI "Taff" Jones, went to visit Jeremy at his cottage at 9 Head street, Goldhanger, on 9th August 1985. I believe it was the afternoon of Friday the 9th when they went to see him, before the keys to whf were handed back over to Ann Eaton. The reason why the police went to see Jeremy on that occasion, is understood to have been part of an exercise introduced by DCI Jones, to try and alleviate DS "Stan" Jones, concern, that he did not think Sheila had killed herself. By this stage, on 9th August 1985, DS Jones, had already seized four exhibits from the scene, bearing the identifying marks, SBJ/4, SBJ/3, SBJ/2 and SBJ/1...

SBJ/1 being the silencer that was subsequently sent to the Lab' on 13th August 1985...

The fact that DS Jones had seized exhibits, SBJ/4, SBJ/3, SBJ/2 and SBJ/1, from the scene on 7th August 1985, was recorded in the original Property Book, which formed part of the original file, SC/688/85, but which is absent in the re-written property book, that is associated with the new file, SC/786/85...

I think the police had some idea that the silencer could have been used on one of the guns in the shootings, i.e. on the other .22 n]bolt action rifle that was normally kept in the downstairs toilet at the scene, or upon the .22 air rifle that was normally kept on the spiral stairs that led from the kitchen to the upstairs landing. I am convinced that the silencer in question was not the Bamber silencer, at all, but that rather it was the other silencer, which belonged to the Pargeter rifle that was normally kept in a gun cabinet in the downstairs toilet. I think DS Jones took possession of the silencer from the region of the toilet, and that some blood may have been noticeable upon it, or within the small aperture on its end cap...

When they visited Jeremy on that say, they asked him if a silencer was fitted to the gun which he loaded with additional bullets on the evening prior to the shootings, and Jeremy told them "No"...

I suspect that the police were trying to find out id the silencer (SBJ/1) which DS Jones took possession of at the scene on 7th August 1985, had been transferred from the Bamber rifle, to this other weapon, in the interim period, or removed and taken off the Bamber rifle altogether?

By the end of their meeting with Jeremy, DCI Jones turned to DS Jones, and asked him if he was satisfied now that they had spoken to Jeremy about the silencer? DCI Jones may not actually have asked DS Jones if he was satisfied, rather than he told him that that should settle any suspicions he had about Jeremy being the killer and the use of the silencer in the shootings...

I don't actually think DS Jones curiosity was quenched, as a result of that meeting, because he later became embroiled in the silencer conspiracy involving members of the relatives, and other police officers, with a view to introducing the Bamber silencer having been found in the gun cupboard much earlier or sooner than it actually was (found on 11th September 1985, but listed as having been found on 10th August 1985)...

Some of the blood found inside the aperture of the (SBJ/1) silencer, later turned out to be animals blood (AK1)...

I believe that Jeremy did not think to raise these matters at the time of his trial, because he must have thought that the silencer DCI Jones, and DS Jones, had been referring to on 9th August 1985, was Pargeters silencer, that was present in the downstairs toilet, Jeremy had told the police on 9th August 1985, that there was no silencer fitted to the gun, and had obviously learned by the time of his trial that David Boutflour and the relatives were claiming that the Bamber silencer had not been discovered in the gun cupboard in the downstairs office, until 10th August 1985, and so Jeremy must have reasoned in his own mind that the silencer that DCI Jones, and DS Jones, talked to him about on 9th August 1985, was the other silencer, which seemed not to play any role in his case, or prosecution...

He must not have suspected that one or other silencer, had been merged into one and the same silencer, by the time his case came to trial, nor did he suspect or realize the significance of the visit which was paid to him, by DCI Jones, and DS Jones, on 9th August 1985. If he had done, it would have opened up a can of worms that much sooner...

Since, how could the police be questioning Jeremy about a silencer being on the guns barrel on the evening of 6th August 1985, on 9th August 1985, if the police had not seen or had possession of a silencer at the scene, by that stage (9th August 1985)?

The discrepancies relating to thee silencers did not actually come to light until after 1990, when I started to look into features of Jeremy's case, and after a very long process of obtaining more and more information, it was possible to reconstruct what had taken place involving all these different silencers, SBJ/1, DB/1 and DRB/1...

If Jeremy and his legal team had been aware of what we now know, he would never have got convicted of these murders, because as it turns out, the Bamber silencer was not found inside the gun cupboard until 11th September 1985, and not sent to the lab' until 26th September 1985 - much too late for it to have been the same silencer inside which was found the crucial blood group activity, A, EAP BA, AK1 and HP 2-1...

Blood with the same blood groups as Sheila, and paint from the aga, was found inside and upon the wrong silencer (DB/1), at a time when the Bamber silencer (DRB/1) had not even been submitted to the lab' to be examined, and would not be submitted to the lab' until 26th September 1985...